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If you don't draw yours, I won't draw mine. A police officer, working in the small town that he lives in, focusing on family and shooting and coffee, and occasionally putting some people in jail.

Tuesday, May 01, 2018


Lately, I get the wants for a new shotgun.

A friend asked elsewhere: Should I get a Beretta 1301, or jump on one of these tricked-out police trade-in Remington 870s which are so thick on the ground, at present?

I think that a 1301 is a much better shotgun, but these 870s are stupid-cheap, these days.

I have neither.




At Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:28:00 PM, Blogger Daddy Hawk said...

Can’t go wrong with tried and true 870s. Parts and aftermarket support out the ying yang.

At Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:32:00 PM, Blogger Skip said...

870 police turn-in. Then buy a 30" barrel for huntin'.

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 6:44:00 AM, Blogger Matt G said...

Okay, I've got shotguns for hunting.
I just somehow don't have an 870, and they're hella cheap lately.
I'm not going to use a tac'd out police 870 to go hunting.
I'm considering a 1301 for home defense and for 3 gun/shotgun tactical matches.
Truth be told, a 1301 is significantly more reliable than an 870.
But the 1301 costs about three or four times more than the cheap 870s available at present.

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 8:00:00 AM, Blogger aczarnowski said...

I don't understand. You're sure you don't own an 870? Maybe tucked away in the back of the safe? ;)

You have probably run both as an officer and have more background than this random guy on the internet. Could you share what makes you say the 1301 is more reliable than the 870?

I've been an 870 guy since duck hunting as a kid millions of years ago. I can't see how any semi auto could be more reliable than that classic pump action. Maybe it's because mine are all older Wingmaster receivers.

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:23:00 AM, Blogger Matt G said...

Rather than restate what I've said before, I'll direct you to what I said here:

...and here:

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:26:00 AM, Blogger Matt G said...

Or rather here and here.

(We'll see if I still know how to hotlink.)

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 10:53:00 AM, Blogger aczarnowski said...

Thanks for the followup.

I immediately go to the mechanics when I hear "reliable." The simpler machine is going to have the advantage in that context. Which isn't your context.

Nothing in those linked posts I disagree with. When running a shot gun more people will get better hit ratios with a semi than a pump.

Let us know if you bring one home!

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 10:58:00 AM, Blogger Daddy Hawk said...

I suppose I should amend my comment to admit that I ditched my 870 with the intent to replace it with an auto chucker. Every bit of recoil mitigation helps when you reach a certain age.

At Wednesday, May 02, 2018 7:36:00 PM, Blogger Old NFO said...

870... Spare parts up the ying/yang :-) OR a Mossy 590!

At Tuesday, May 08, 2018 12:12:00 AM, Blogger MattB said...

Not the 870!! I had one that was one of the too soft steel barrels that Remington did not recall. Mine would shoot low base brass all day OK but all high base brass would expand into the bulge that the barrel developed after a couple boxes were shot through it when new. This required a hearty jerk on the fore end to work the action to eject the spent hull. I sold it and won't ever buy another 870. I currently have a Rem 1100 in 20 g. and one in 12 g. Very low recoil and pleasure to shoot. If you don't want to spend the money on the very nice Benelli 1301 get an 1100.

At Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:34:00 AM, Blogger gfrey said...

The last shotgun I bought is my Mossberg 835, the buck n tom version. Camo, 2 barrels.
I have hunted deer, and taken a Bunch of turkeys with it...
I won't say it is the LAST shotgun I will buy,

But since I bought it in 2002, 2003??. (and until the sad Boating accident :) ) I have had no interest in buying another shotgun!

At Saturday, June 02, 2018 9:27:00 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

sorry to revive an old thread, and i apologize if its been answered before but will a 1100 function reliably with short barrell, like 20 inches or so

At Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:17:00 PM, Anonymous Historian said...

The 1100 had a reputation for breaking action bars with regularity, which was why, when I was first looking at social shotguns 30+ years ago, (as opposed to field shotguns) I went with the 870. They do kick more than the gas autos. As I shoot ambidextrously, the Ithaca Model 37 bottom eject is also on the menu, and that also kicks.

There are lots of other good shotguns out there, but the 870 has met my needs to date.


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