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If you don't draw yours, I won't draw mine. A police officer, working in the small town that he lives in, focusing on family and shooting and coffee, and occasionally putting some people in jail.

Sunday, September 06, 2009

Good Gawd.

One of my co-workers has informed me that he has decided to step into the world of revolvers, and purchase a Smith that he could consider tactically ready for duty. My initial reaction was "Great! Are you thinking about a Model 60? Oh, you say you want a large-framed revolver? Perhaps a 625? Or..."

He was fiddling around on the internet while he told me about this. He muttered something about thinking it was a .357, and I said "well a Model 27 is certainly viable..." as I turned to look at... this thing. A Performance Center 327.

He claims he's serious. I don't know why I even bother talking to him.

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At Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:04:00 AM, Blogger keith said...

If he uses an offset mount for that light, he would still have room for a bayonet. Of course, he'd still need to find a place for the bipod mount.



At Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:27:00 AM, Blogger Alan said...

Wow! You work with Caleb?

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:13:00 AM, Blogger James E. Griffin said...

Personally, I'll be hoping that he gets assignments that keep him away from people. Perhaps with time, he'll learn enough to realize how silly his decision is.

Other than that, he's useful as great story material.

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:19:00 AM, Anonymous Rick O'Shea said...

Lose all the accessory hardware and it's probably a pretty good gun.
But speaking as a S&W revolver nut myself, he would have saved a LOT of money and trouble to just get a good, used Model 10.

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 12:20:00 PM, Blogger Brigid said...

I have something at home that looks like that. My grandma used it to peel apples.

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:59:00 PM, Blogger JPG said...

Wow! $1414 MSRP for base revolver, PLUS optic and light. I don't recognize those accessories, but I know that the rig as illustrated could run somewhere north of two grand. Oh, and THEN your pal would need to spring for a new holster and some seven-shot speedloaders.

This looks to me like some sort of competition setup, NOT what a working cop would wear, 40+ hours per week. And, would the agency approve such a Star Wars sidearm for duty use?

My last-acquired revolver was a pre-model 10 Military & Police. I spent almost $300 and thought I was really splurging. I think a short shootin' match would be interesting: Him and the souper dooper PC 327 versus some crotchety reprobate with a 1940s cop gun.

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:54:00 PM, Blogger Old NFO said...

O.M.G. He can't possibly be serious, is he??? Hell, he'd have to add a 5 lb weight to the back frame just to get it to balance...

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:16:00 PM, Blogger Matt G said...

"Oh, and THEN your pal would need to spring for a new holster and some seven-shot speedloaders."

Uh, better make those eight-shot speed-loaders, Dad.

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:03:00 PM, Blogger John B said...

Thanks Matt, I needed that real bad. My GF got drunk, stupid. I'm wondering whether to start custody proceedings.

If I ever make it down there, I wanna shake your friends hand.

Usually the question is who shaves the barber. Mine is who cheers the court jester.

At Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:48:00 PM, Blogger ASM826 said...

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. What would you do with it? You can't conceal carry it, it's huge. There's not a holster made for it that I know of with all that gear on it.

Oh, and for a thousand dollars less you can get a Ruger.

At Monday, September 07, 2009 8:00:00 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Does it come with a BatShield or is that optional?

I think I saw that written up awhile back in SWAT mag. Seems like the consensus there was about the same as here.

I'd take that action on JPG by 4 in the 10 ring for $20, cylinder vs. cylinder. A real Model 10 doesn't need a pintle mount, unlike some abominations.


At Monday, September 07, 2009 11:19:00 AM, Blogger Assrot said...

Nice gun if you remove all the "tacticool" junk. He'll need a partner to help him hold it up while he shoots it unless he is as big as you or I.

It kills me when I see little folks at the range with a gun that weighs in at 4 lbs loaded. Most can't hit the paper without a bench rest.

I have a WWI bayonet that's about 24" long he could hang on it for close work.



At Monday, September 07, 2009 5:40:00 PM, Blogger Matt G said...

Note: I'm a big fan of M27s. But Even with the optical sight and light removed, this one's UGLY.

At Monday, September 07, 2009 7:44:00 PM, Blogger Old NFO said...

I've got JPG for $20 too! :-)
Hell, I'd take Matt with a snubbie for $20 even!

At Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:57:00 PM, Anonymous Aaron said...

I'm seeing a lot of mockery. Don't really get why, myself...

It's an eight-shot .357 Mag.

If it were an eight-shot H&K USP, or Sig P2somethingortheother or even a custom 1911 job chambered in .357 SIG or .38 Super, would anyone blink?

Light on the barrel and a red-dot sight. No, it's not a carry piece, but hell-why would you carry a Performance Center pistol anyway? Can't think too many PDs are using them, and for civilian carry it doesn't make much sense to me to carry a 1400 dollar gun that you quite possibly will never see again, should you end up using it.

It's a competition gun, that's what it's marketed for. And Aimpoint sights are easy to use, so a lot of people compete with them (I'd switch to the T1, for weight purposes, but that's just me). Some IDPA competitions have low-light stages, so a light rail comes in handy.

I'm just saying, as a competition gun, any reason this is sillier than it would be in an autoloader?

At Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:22:00 AM, Blogger Matt G said...

Aaron, I know some people that carry bucks-up carry pieces. Tam, for one.

The point is, the 327 Performance Center revolver, as shown, has lost the character of a handgun, for the most part. I've known a few cops to carry N frame revolvers, and it was notable, due to their decision to carry such a large gun. And that was on a full-sized Sam Browne belt, in an openly-visible holster. This would be un-holsterable, without a very bizarre custom holster and a court order to draw and re-holster with.

I personally shoot pistol matches, and grin at the silliness of match raceguns that can't even be holstered.

At Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:37:00 AM, Anonymous Aaron said...

To me, the exotic race guns are the shooting world's equivalent of F1, or NHRA drag racing. No, they don't work for regular life. But for regular life, Tony Pedragon's ride would be murder to park, and Schumacher's sits too low for the drive-through at Arby's. Nonetheless, our trucks and minivans have safer brakes, more power and better mileage because of developments from the racing world.

In the same way, we have improved shooting stances, grips, sights, and pretty much every other piece of hardware on our daily carry pistols in large part because of the competitions Cooper et. al started back in the '70s. Those competitions are where the beta crap gets tested, where the new ideas come into play. Fancy-ass optics, holsters, comically large mag wells and all that jazz. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I think that we have as much room for improvement left to go as we've made since the first Gunsite smith started putting enlarged front sight posts on 1911s. Be neat to see how much "gamerfag gear" ends up being standard equipment in ten, fifteen years.

Lastly, maybe it's just me, but from my perspective-I use a rifle for my paycheck and I don't think of weapons as having "character". I think of them as an efficient means to an end. One that I have a lot of fun practicing with, sure, but ultimately-just a tool. YMMV.

At Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46:00 AM, Blogger Matt G said...

Oh! Nicely played, that. I hadn't thought to consider that my comment might be taken as anthropomorphic. I actually meant, when I said "character of a handgun," that the nature of the tool had changed. No more did that revolver represent a handy sidearm, but it had become a large, ungainly, mostly two-handed device. Like a SawzAll. A corded SawzAll, at that. Yes, it could be weilded one-handed, and yes, it could do the job well. But with its large hard case and such, carrying it is like carrying a goodly-sized piece of luggage, rather than a handy sidearm. Havng done some hunting with a very large Freedom Arms .454 revolver with an 8 3/8" barrel out of a shoulder holster, I know something about carrying around large handguns. That FA revolver (with iron sights and nothing hanging off of it.) was getting toward the outer end of what was carriable, with NO attempt at concealablity or real speed.

At Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:10:00 AM, Anonymous TBeck said...

My favorite carry gun is a S&W 329PD...sans rails, light, optic, etc. The revolver weighs about 25 ounces and actually carries better than the 21-ounce Kahr that it replaced. Even with one of those Hogue X-frame grips the recoil from a full-power .44 magnum load is nasty. But .44 Specials are a treat and Speer makes a 200-grain "light magnum" load that is very controllable.


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